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	<title>Comments on: The Paradox of Cheap Parking, in Real Time</title>
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		<title>By: Edward Vielmetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Vielmetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I received via FOIA another set of parking data, this one the bank deposit detail on a day by day basis for all of the lots in March 2009.  It&#039;s in a horrible format - scanned in PDFs - and it&#039;s also not what I asked for.  But it may be useful and I&#039;ll fling it at you on request.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received via FOIA another set of parking data, this one the bank deposit detail on a day by day basis for all of the lots in March 2009.  It&#8217;s in a horrible format &#8211; scanned in PDFs &#8211; and it&#8217;s also not what I asked for.  But it may be useful and I&#8217;ll fling it at you on request.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Vielmetti</title>
		<link>http://goodspeedupdate.com/2008/2368/comment-page-1#comment-403019</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Vielmetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 04:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred Posner and I put together a telephone app that lets you get parking information in real time from your phone.  We just did an interview today on the Lucy Ann Lance show which was fun.  The local number is

734-272-0909

that&#039;s

734-ARB-0909

Operators are standing by, call now.  (Calls may be recorded for quality purposes.  Not intended for use while driving.  No warranty of merchantability or fitness of purpose.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred Posner and I put together a telephone app that lets you get parking information in real time from your phone.  We just did an interview today on the Lucy Ann Lance show which was fun.  The local number is</p>
<p>734-272-0909</p>
<p>that&#8217;s</p>
<p>734-ARB-0909</p>
<p>Operators are standing by, call now.  (Calls may be recorded for quality purposes.  Not intended for use while driving.  No warranty of merchantability or fitness of purpose.)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bean</title>
		<link>http://goodspeedupdate.com/2008/2368/comment-page-1#comment-390977</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Bean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good analysis and good questions, Rob. I hope you&#039;ll continue. I&#039;ve looked at the data a bit myself, and so far it&#039;s just triggered even more questions about what hasn&#039;t been examined in terms of impacts and possible alternatives.

I&#039;ve also seen this as a &quot;peaking&quot; problem, one that could be addressed by various alternatives. Unfortunately, the city council directed the DDA board to develop a plan for an underground structure at that particular site. It&#039;s analogous, in energy, greenhouse gas emissions, and sustainability terms, to commissioning a large coal plant with scrubbers, or maybe a big natural gas plant to generate peak-time electricity, as opposed to a combination of improved efficiency, wind turbines, and other solar sources.

The Maynard structure is a good one to look at since it seems to be the one referenced as being &quot;full&quot; during the day, all week long. No study has been done to project the expected impact of the new structure on that structure or any other component of the parking system, that I&#039;m aware of. My guess is that it will continue to have the same usage pattern even after the new structure is in place, except for the impact of other factors, such as increased bus ridership and higher gas prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good analysis and good questions, Rob. I hope you&#8217;ll continue. I&#8217;ve looked at the data a bit myself, and so far it&#8217;s just triggered even more questions about what hasn&#8217;t been examined in terms of impacts and possible alternatives.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also seen this as a &#8220;peaking&#8221; problem, one that could be addressed by various alternatives. Unfortunately, the city council directed the DDA board to develop a plan for an underground structure at that particular site. It&#8217;s analogous, in energy, greenhouse gas emissions, and sustainability terms, to commissioning a large coal plant with scrubbers, or maybe a big natural gas plant to generate peak-time electricity, as opposed to a combination of improved efficiency, wind turbines, and other solar sources.</p>
<p>The Maynard structure is a good one to look at since it seems to be the one referenced as being &#8220;full&#8221; during the day, all week long. No study has been done to project the expected impact of the new structure on that structure or any other component of the parking system, that I&#8217;m aware of. My guess is that it will continue to have the same usage pattern even after the new structure is in place, except for the impact of other factors, such as increased bus ridership and higher gas prices.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivienne Armentrout</title>
		<link>http://goodspeedupdate.com/2008/2368/comment-page-1#comment-390948</link>
		<dc:creator>Vivienne Armentrout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things about Maynard that your data don&#039;t fully take into account:

1. Most of the lower levels are prohibited for parking until 10 a.m. - this is to keep workers and students from all-day parking there.
2. They do indeed have a number of long-term permits, so the figures should be calculated from the 618 figure for the purpose here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things about Maynard that your data don&#8217;t fully take into account:</p>
<p>1. Most of the lower levels are prohibited for parking until 10 a.m. &#8211; this is to keep workers and students from all-day parking there.<br />
2. They do indeed have a number of long-term permits, so the figures should be calculated from the 618 figure for the purpose here.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://goodspeedupdate.com/2008/2368/comment-page-1#comment-390939</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the data Rob is discussing; April 3 2008 to present (January 7 2009) -- enjoy,

http://xca2.com/asset/a2dda-parking.csv</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the data Rob is discussing; April 3 2008 to present (January 7 2009) &#8212; enjoy,</p>
<p><a href="http://xca2.com/asset/a2dda-parking.csv" rel="nofollow">http://xca2.com/asset/a2dda-parking.csv</a></p>
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		<title>By: Edward Vielmetti</title>
		<link>http://goodspeedupdate.com/2008/2368/comment-page-1#comment-390861</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Vielmetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DDA is now (as I type) talking about raising rates for parking, though they are also not talking about any peak-hour pricing just a flat rate increase.  The counter-argument is to delay the parking increase and to make up the revenue deficit from the TIF fund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DDA is now (as I type) talking about raising rates for parking, though they are also not talking about any peak-hour pricing just a flat rate increase.  The counter-argument is to delay the parking increase and to make up the revenue deficit from the TIF fund.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Vielmetti</title>
		<link>http://goodspeedupdate.com/2008/2368/comment-page-1#comment-373699</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Vielmetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comment at the DDA&#039;s transportation committee meeting that I attended was that the worst thing possible was for there to be no parking available at peak times.  The perception is that even one minute of FULL sign on the parking lot across from your downtown brewery means that you lost some business.

That there is ample parking available on surface lots or structures or county lots after hours or anything else a few blocks away isn&#039;t really relevant, if the FULL sign stares at you out the window.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comment at the DDA&#8217;s transportation committee meeting that I attended was that the worst thing possible was for there to be no parking available at peak times.  The perception is that even one minute of FULL sign on the parking lot across from your downtown brewery means that you lost some business.</p>
<p>That there is ample parking available on surface lots or structures or county lots after hours or anything else a few blocks away isn&#8217;t really relevant, if the FULL sign stares at you out the window.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Piper</title>
		<link>http://goodspeedupdate.com/2008/2368/comment-page-1#comment-373484</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Piper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - I suspect that the real cost of building and maintaining parking structures is much higher than is generally thought and they should charge more for parking.  Especially at peak times.  

Unscientific - I am confident that when I drive downtown (I live three miles from State and Liberty) I can park relatively quickly in one of the structures.  On street, not so sure.  I generally feel that I will  have to stress at least some to find a space - I hardly ever just cruise into an empty lot.  If it were a lot more difficult to find a space, I might decide against the trip.  I probably would not consider taking the bus as it does not run often enough.  My kids will take the bus downtown when pressed.  

I like the idea of underground parking and would pay a higher price for it.  Surface lots and structures are terrible land uses in downtown areas, and if we can&#039;t get rid of them, build them underground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; I suspect that the real cost of building and maintaining parking structures is much higher than is generally thought and they should charge more for parking.  Especially at peak times.  </p>
<p>Unscientific &#8211; I am confident that when I drive downtown (I live three miles from State and Liberty) I can park relatively quickly in one of the structures.  On street, not so sure.  I generally feel that I will  have to stress at least some to find a space &#8211; I hardly ever just cruise into an empty lot.  If it were a lot more difficult to find a space, I might decide against the trip.  I probably would not consider taking the bus as it does not run often enough.  My kids will take the bus downtown when pressed.  </p>
<p>I like the idea of underground parking and would pay a higher price for it.  Surface lots and structures are terrible land uses in downtown areas, and if we can&#8217;t get rid of them, build them underground.</p>
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		<title>By: Murph</title>
		<link>http://goodspeedupdate.com/2008/2368/comment-page-1#comment-372181</link>
		<dc:creator>Murph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed V.  -

At some point you should take a look at the DDA&#039;s balance sheet.  New construction parking structures are hardly a cash cow; I think the DDA only makes money off of a few of them.  (Tally Hall was the biggest net positive structure last I kept track, because its age means most of the construction costs have been amortized, and the lack of human attendant means lower operating costs.)  The on-street and surface parking lots are traditionally the more profitable parts of the parking system.

If the DDA were only looking to parking revenues and nothing else, they&#039;d probably prefer an all-surface-lot-meters strategy.  Structures are closer to &quot;necessary evil&quot; status - they&#039;re not there because the DDA makes mad bank from them, but because an all-surface-parking strategy would consume too much land.

I&#039;d certainly support Rob&#039;s assertion that &quot;how much is enough&quot; is not something the DDA has (or can) determine in a completely neutral and &quot;scientific&quot; manner.  But if we&#039;re assuming that x off-street parking spaces is the right number, I personally would far rather see them in parking structures than in surface lots - if we have to take up land for parking, we may as well use as little of it as possible by going vertical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed V.  -</p>
<p>At some point you should take a look at the DDA&#8217;s balance sheet.  New construction parking structures are hardly a cash cow; I think the DDA only makes money off of a few of them.  (Tally Hall was the biggest net positive structure last I kept track, because its age means most of the construction costs have been amortized, and the lack of human attendant means lower operating costs.)  The on-street and surface parking lots are traditionally the more profitable parts of the parking system.</p>
<p>If the DDA were only looking to parking revenues and nothing else, they&#8217;d probably prefer an all-surface-lot-meters strategy.  Structures are closer to &#8220;necessary evil&#8221; status &#8211; they&#8217;re not there because the DDA makes mad bank from them, but because an all-surface-parking strategy would consume too much land.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d certainly support Rob&#8217;s assertion that &#8220;how much is enough&#8221; is not something the DDA has (or can) determine in a completely neutral and &#8220;scientific&#8221; manner.  But if we&#8217;re assuming that x off-street parking spaces is the right number, I personally would far rather see them in parking structures than in surface lots &#8211; if we have to take up land for parking, we may as well use as little of it as possible by going vertical.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Vielmetti</title>
		<link>http://goodspeedupdate.com/2008/2368/comment-page-1#comment-371489</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Vielmetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more parking structures the DDA builds, the more money they have in their budget.  Anything that&#039;s not a parking structure is an expense; anything that is parking is a revenue source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more parking structures the DDA builds, the more money they have in their budget.  Anything that&#8217;s not a parking structure is an expense; anything that is parking is a revenue source.</p>
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