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	<title>Comments on: Planetizen Posts: New Urbanism and Public Notices on the Web</title>
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		<title>By: dp</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of off-the-cuff responses, having made my way here via  &lt;a href=&quot;http://urbanplacesandspaces.blogspot.com/2008/09/why-i-am-old-urbanist.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Richard Layman&#039;s blog&lt;/a&gt; and the Planetizen piece about the new/old urbanist dichotomy.

The piece is interesting but strikes me as slightly skewed, in two ways. One is that it presupposes some sort of standoff between theorists in a way that strikes me as unhelpful. The other is that I am minded to question your use of &lt;i&gt;pragmatic&lt;/i&gt;.

As regards the first, while it&#039;s evident that there are territorial differences, and that there have been efforts to exploit or sharpen those differences, it&#039;s not helpful to use them to further polarize discussion, particularly if you want to see any sort of reconciliation. Framing your discussion in terms of old school / new school doesn&#039;t do anything for me.

My second point is prompted by the comment that &quot;growth was often planned, but by profit-motivated companies and pragmatic municipal governments.&quot;

I wonder what you mean by pragmatic. In its prosaic sense it would mean that municipal governors did things without fuss, in a straightforward and utilitarian manner. However, pragmatic in its classic or archaic senses carries a strong connotation of state intervention ranging from the &#039;official&#039; to the &#039;officious&#039;.

There&#039;s an expanse of clear sky between the prosaic and classic meanings, and I wonder which one you intend to convey, partly because one meaning is plausible in the context of your statement, but the other ain&#039;t.

Overall, I think it would be more interesting to make passing mention of differences between schools of urban and suburban theory, then shift the focus to alternatives that haven&#039;t had quite the spotlight but which focus on one or more relevant particulars or themes you&#039;d like to address. Perahps in another piece?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of off-the-cuff responses, having made my way here via  <a href="http://urbanplacesandspaces.blogspot.com/2008/09/why-i-am-old-urbanist.html" rel="nofollow">Richard Layman&#8217;s blog</a> and the Planetizen piece about the new/old urbanist dichotomy.</p>
<p>The piece is interesting but strikes me as slightly skewed, in two ways. One is that it presupposes some sort of standoff between theorists in a way that strikes me as unhelpful. The other is that I am minded to question your use of <i>pragmatic</i>.</p>
<p>As regards the first, while it&#8217;s evident that there are territorial differences, and that there have been efforts to exploit or sharpen those differences, it&#8217;s not helpful to use them to further polarize discussion, particularly if you want to see any sort of reconciliation. Framing your discussion in terms of old school / new school doesn&#8217;t do anything for me.</p>
<p>My second point is prompted by the comment that &#8220;growth was often planned, but by profit-motivated companies and pragmatic municipal governments.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder what you mean by pragmatic. In its prosaic sense it would mean that municipal governors did things without fuss, in a straightforward and utilitarian manner. However, pragmatic in its classic or archaic senses carries a strong connotation of state intervention ranging from the &#8216;official&#8217; to the &#8216;officious&#8217;.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an expanse of clear sky between the prosaic and classic meanings, and I wonder which one you intend to convey, partly because one meaning is plausible in the context of your statement, but the other ain&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Overall, I think it would be more interesting to make passing mention of differences between schools of urban and suburban theory, then shift the focus to alternatives that haven&#8217;t had quite the spotlight but which focus on one or more relevant particulars or themes you&#8217;d like to address. Perahps in another piece?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Internet notifications makes total sense, but will continue to drive nails into the coffins of (especially niche) print publications -- e.g., The Chief in NYC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internet notifications makes total sense, but will continue to drive nails into the coffins of (especially niche) print publications &#8212; e.g., The Chief in NYC.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan P Origer</title>
		<link>http://goodspeedupdate.com/2008/2261/comment-page-1#comment-297565</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan P Origer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Offered additionally, internet notification seems to be a no-brainer.

However, to replace, wholesale, newspaper-based notifications with online public notices would, at least in some places, disenfranchise those for whom, even in this ever-progressing society, internet access isn&#039;t a luxury, as it is for those of us who can take it for granted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offered additionally, internet notification seems to be a no-brainer.</p>
<p>However, to replace, wholesale, newspaper-based notifications with online public notices would, at least in some places, disenfranchise those for whom, even in this ever-progressing society, internet access isn&#8217;t a luxury, as it is for those of us who can take it for granted.</p>
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